Friend of This Tourism Week Simon Blackburn – of Three Trees at Spionkop (which has just become the first KwaZulu-Natal property to receive Fair Trade in Tourism accreditation) – wrote to say, “This Groupon thing seems to be taking off – but cannot figure it out – product offered at 50% of advertised rate, and then Groupon takes their cut – another 50% so accom gets 25% of rack – I just don’t see what is in it for us?”
Indeed, what is in it for us?
If you aren’t familiar with Groupon (group + coupon), it’s a group buying site that allows retailers to offer special discounts to groups of people – specials that only become valid once a minimum number of people have indicated that they’ll take them up.
It sounds like a great idea – you know in advance how much business you’ll be getting, and what your turnover’s going to be. And your clients save, save, save.
What you need to know, though, and as Simon pointed out, is that the site typically takes a 50% commission.
Still, in these quiet times, surely 25% of turnover is better than nothing?
Well, yes. But.
In what you could call the argument for the service, Christopher Steiner, writing in Forbes Magazine (August 30, 2010), asked, “What’s in it for the vendor – which might be a museum, a yoga studio or an ice cream shop? Exposure. Since the resulting revenue is not only discounted but shared (typically, 50/50) with Groupon, the vendor may scarcely break even on the incremental sales. But it now has customers who might never have thought of patronizing the business. Groupon gets its offers in front of eyeballs by buying ad space through Google and Facebook and via the word of mouth of its 13 million subscribers.” (Meet The Fastest Growing Company Ever)
But in the South African context, I think there are a few things to consider.
First – margins. Typically, accommodation providers (especially smaller accommodation providers) and tour operators in South Africa are working on such small margins, that losing as much as 75% of your revenue is hardly going to put you in the black. So – can the average business afford to spend (in effect) 75% of its turnover on creating exposure for itself?
In ‘Does the Groupon model lead tourism businesses racing to the bottom?’ Stephen Joyce says, “A local sightseeing company with a 15-passenger van decided to try and attract new business by offering 50% off its $140 tour.
“Groupon sold a very modest 250 coupons.
“In this case, Groupon took 50% plus credit card costs as commission, so at the end of the day, the operator received $8,312.50 for $35,000 worth of tours and Groupon received $9,187.50.”
Second – ethical tourism. Yes. Ethical tourism. Because what’s remarkable about Groupon is that it doesn’t actually provide the service – the bed, the tour, or the meal – that the buyer buys. And that, I would have thought, would create problems when a claim arises in terms of the Consumer Protection Act. If, as I understand the Act, everyone in the supply chain is liable, is Groupon part of the supply chain? It would be interesting to know how the courts would decide.
On the other hand, if the complainant had bought the accommodation through a traditional travel agent, that agent would have had to have been registered as such, with all the legal frameworks in place for the protection of the client.
Does Groupon see itself as an on-line travel agent? I would have thought not. (“Limitation of liability: Although tough control mechanisms are in place, errors on the website may occur. Groupon is in no way responsible for any damage or loss incurred due to errors made by mycitydeal.co.za. The website contains links to other websites. Groupon is in no way responsible for the content provided on these websites.”)
Third – your inventory. I’ve always believed that a discount sale is a way of getting rid of excess inventory – and that’s OK as far as it goes for shops that hold physical items of stock. But when your inventory is the beds in your establishment, and that number remains the same every day of the year (whether they’re sold or not) – how can you ever have an excess of inventory?
There’s a very definite difference between yield management (the practice of pegging your price to demand) and offering massive discounts via targeted marketing campaigns. There’s too much evidence to suggest that if you’re prepared to offer a 50% discount on a bed night – you’re perceived as having been too expensive to begin with.
And the people who are prepared to take advantage of a massive discount are generally not the people who’d stay with you at your rack rate. No matter what time of the year. As Patrick Lefler wrote in ‘Will merchants still feel the love for Groupon a year from now?’ “the greater risk is that existing (and profitable) customers somehow migrate to Groupon which would then strip the business of its primary source of profits. Similar to what happened to the American auto companies who offered discounts to lure new customers but didn’t erect high enough barriers to prevent their existing customer base from taking advantage of these same discounts, the risk here is that profitable customers become conditioned to wait for sales and discounts – reluctant to ever pay full price again.”
So no, Simon – for my money, and as far as tourism products are concerned, I think that Groupon benefits only Groupon. I wouldn’t have it as part of my marketing arsenal.
Mind you, that’s just my personal opinion – it would be interesting to hear what other readers have to say… post your comments below.









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We own Hildesheim Guest House in the Garden Route near Wilderness and like all (most) accommodation providers are continually exploring ways to get our occupancy rates UP. To achieve this we have already changed our approach to rate structures and significantly discount our rates for long stays and or groups. We placed a special deal with Dealify.com (similar if not exactly the same as Groupon) at huge discount for the consumer (50%) on rack rate and the balance split 66% – 34%. So we get R33.00 out of every R100.00 of accommodation value.
What is in it for us?
Financially – as per our revenue example above, not much.
Marketing exposure – time will tell whether dealify customers that were exposed to us while our special was running will remember to contact us when next they visit the Garden Route.
I don’t believe that the typical dealify member will be in the market to pay our normal rack rates as they are after all looking for specials , that is why they join dealify or groupon (my opinion!). That is where our approach to rates will hopefully attract them – without sinking the business financially do what you have to do to get bums in beds.
In summary, I agree with Simon that the only party making money out of these schemes is the groupon or dealify guys and only time will tell if they will stand up and be counted when the chips are down.
All the best for the season.
Hildesheim Guest House
I have done a proposal to Daddy’s Deals (Kulula) for our Ninety North Guest House in Johannesburg with cookery lessons, dinner, bed and breakfast on the same principal of selling a coupon. Nothing yet finalised but perhaps we are just not cheap enough. I honestly think it has to be a bit of a win/win – and even so, Daddy’s Deals will get more out of it then me!
These things are fraught and let’s hope we don’t end up having shot ourselves in the foot.
I read somewhere else that the people who respond on these coupons tend not to come back anyway, so it all may end up a bit of a loss.
Great analysis Martin, you’ve covered all angles.
I agree fully.
I don’t think this concept is well suited to our industry.
Hi Martin,
thanks for the topic! I have done a deal for our restaurant ashton’s @ greenways (2 main courses for the price of one) with cityslickers. CC sold 163 vouchers, it gave us great exposure and also return business. I monitored the bills of cc-guests closely, none of the guests took the 2 mains only, the average additional bill came to R 300 incl. tips.
Cityslickers charges 30% commission and pays after the deals closes 70% of the deal, the balance on presentation of the actually redeemed vouchers, which creates a bit of admin.
The cpa states that vouchers must be valid for 3 years, hence the payment of only 70% as the group buying companies are liable to refund the money within a 3 years’ period, the supplier can opt for a “special offer” which is only limited for a certain period.
I suggest to only consider group buying companies, which do not charge more than 30% commission, otherwise it is not viable. Also only look at deals which give the supplier an opportunity to upsell, meaning suppliers should not include to much in those deals. Also watch the terms of payment, some only pay for the actually redeemed vouchers, which creates an admin nightmare!
Hi
The interesting thing for us as the accommodation owners, is that you only get your share of the money, When The Voucher is actually used. That means that Groupon get their money immediately, but if some vouchers were purchased on the spur of the moment or as gifts – like incentives – you might never see that money.
Be aware :Groupon only pays you when the voucher is presented.
I think Groupon when it was still Twango was great fun when it started out and you would only get 1 special offer a day. It was great to share it with friends and get the 1 special deal that you really liked. Now there are too many sites offering too many deals and I’ve lost interest all together. Then I also heard about how much money Groupon takes and I feel it’s unfair. I now have decided to stay loyal to my favorite suppliers and have unsubscribed from every single Group buying site.
For businesses I think they should just see it as a marketing cost and not as a revenue generating channel. It might be great to introduce a new product or service and get at least exposure to the database but that’s about the only advantage.
I definitely say “NO” to Groupon. Our business is difficult enough as it is and VERY hard work and they are thinking of ways to take 50% of the turnover, not even of the profit, NO, NO, NO. It is a bad thing and the more groups like this the more difficult our business and the harder to keep our hospitality places going well and happily.
The trouble is the prospective guests get to hear about these “deals” and expect them. I would rather give big discounts to my guests and especially return guests than support these kind of people.
I hope many lodges and hotels will stick to their guns and NOT join.
Best regards,
SUGAR RHODES – BUHALA LODGE
I think Groupon is a total rip-off. I have to discount 50% – no choise! I suggested 20%, but they refused.
Then they take 50% PLUS VAT on the rest. That means VAT on VAT. To me that is cheat. Then they get more than the supplier at no risk PLUS the interest on all the money they keep until you claim it back. In the event they go down, you will still have to suply the buyer – that has the coupon, without seeing your money!
Thank you, but no thank you.
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